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Is California Ready to Secede From the United States?

So far, more than 13,000 Golden Staters have joined an online drive to leave the union.

In more than 40 states across the nation, signatures are being gathered asking President Obama to allow states to consider seceding from the union, according to press reports over the weekend.

The states, ranging from blue states like New York and New Jersey to some of the reddest of the red, such as North Dakota and Texas, must collect 25,000 signatures within 30 days to receive an official response from the White House. Texas already has more than 25,000, according to reports. 

On Nov. 11, just five days after President Obama was re-elected to the White House, the movement officially came to California and now has 13,046 signatures and growing. 

The petition was started by Jennifer K. from Yucca Valley. 

However, California's movement has not seen the fervor of some other states, such as New Hampshire, where the creator has launched a Facebook campaign. 

There is a California Secession Facebook page, which recently received a post linking to the online petition after almost one year of inactivity. 

Last year, about a dozen counties in the eastern and southern parts of Southern California, minus Los Angeles, tried to secede from the state to form "Southern California." 

Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone's reasons for secession included "too much money spent on state prisons, too much power for public unions, too many regulations and not enough of a crackdown on illegal immigration," according to the New York Times.

In response to these and other secession petitions, Joshua L. from Birmingham, AL, started a petition to deport everyone that signed a petition to withdraw their state from the nation. 

It currently has over 8,300 signatures, a few hundred more than the petition for California to secede from the US. 

What do you think about this secession petition? Do you think it will receive 25,000 signatures by Dec. 11? Tell us in the comments. 

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Gaia Renee Vacek November 15, 2012 at 02:31 PM
It seems the people signing these petitions are more about perpetuating hatred and sour grapes. This it's nothing more than illogical ignorance. Fortunately, secession is still dependent upon the state officials and not reactionaries with little understanding.
Bruce Rockwell November 15, 2012 at 03:10 PM
These nutjobs represent, what, .02% of our population? Still, whenever a serious conversation is happening as to whether marginal tax rates might currently be too low in some areas, these same people are usually ready with the smarmy suggestion that instead of discussing tax policy, we should just send more of our own personal money to the treasury to pay down the deficit. In this same smug spirit, I suggest that these secessionist crybabies take matters into their own hands: I believe it was their candidate who termed it "self-deportation..."
Michelle B November 15, 2012 at 03:44 PM
Do these people realize that if they secede from the union that they will no longer get government assistance. The only positive is that I see people on welfare having to work! But also social security, financial aid, Medicaid, our military will taken away. It's a scary thought!
Aaron Nowling November 15, 2012 at 04:12 PM
About 40% of Califorians feel disenfranchise from the political process while 30% are getting some sort of public assisatnce. The other 30% vote to feather their own nest. One way to fix the problem would be to get rid of the winner take all of the electoral votes and perportion it to each congressional district being allowed one electoral vote. It seems everytime their is a national election, politicians use Califronia as a cash cow for their campaign. This applies to all political parties and certainly to the Republican Party and the Democratic Party.
Julius Samuel November 15, 2012 at 06:24 PM
America can never be divided.
"The Black Panther of Poetry" November 15, 2012 at 07:07 PM
The likelyhood of a state seceding from the union is about as likely to happen as getting shocked by lightning while playing dominoes with The Sasquatch while flying on the back of a Pig with lipstick!!!
carlk November 15, 2012 at 08:43 PM
The idea of real sesesion is silly, this is just a way of voting against a bloated government, that is what needs to be taken seriously. The size and scope of the federal government is a huge burden to all local economies. People are just looking for a way to vent that frustration. The federal government spending is out of control.
T. Gunter November 15, 2012 at 09:54 PM
Those that are in favor of seceding should just renounce their US citizenship. Problem solved.
Scott Burford November 15, 2012 at 11:23 PM
This entire secession issue is totally ridiculous. This is why aliens no longer land on our planet....they are worried that our stupidity is contagious. I hear they have found other planets where the inhabitants are much more intelligent and don't mind the occasional crop circle and pyramid building exercises. Our loss, I suppose.
Richard November 16, 2012 at 12:03 AM
Many of those who complain about the federal government being bloated turn around and complain when the government does not do enough, e.g. responding to the BP oil spill, Hurricane Sandy, the New England compounding pharmacy. Government in fact does have a role to play. That role costs money. We citizens should be willing to pay the price. Those few people who are advocating secession are exposing themselves as not being true patriots. Those loyal to this country would not spout such nonsense.
"The Black Panther of Poetry" November 16, 2012 at 02:20 AM
I am willing to wager that 99.9 percent of these "Secessionist" are white Americans. Listen White America, you are going to have to get over this false sense of entitlement that you have acquired over the centuries about your place in this country. It is plain to see that the demographics are changing and while you are becoming smaller in numbers; minorities numbers are going the opposite way(especially in Ca). You will have to adapt mentally and possibly physically to your new place in this society, and that's ok. You can do it I have faith in "You People"!!! Here, let me give you a little bit of what one of your greatest and smartest fellowman said: "It is not the strongest of the species that survives nor the most intelligent. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change"!! Charles Darwin, 1859
Bruce Rockwell November 16, 2012 at 03:08 AM
Carl, the federal government is half the size it was during the Johnson administration. High unemployment in recent years has been driven by a rapidly *shrinking* public sector. So anybody who has those frustrations self-identifies as ignorant. Obama has grown spending slower than any Republican president since WWII. It isn't government spending that is out of control, it is government revenues that have been suppressed by the Bush tax cuts and 9 million jobs lost in 2008 and 2009. That kind of economic damage doesn't go away in a couple of years.
sue latham November 16, 2012 at 09:09 PM
Let's just face it, these "secessionists" are actually BIGOTS!! Did we ever see this type of craziness under the Bushes or even southern white Clinton?? Rather than secession, I'm for the popular vote - let's have the diverse enlightened big populated cities vote for our government rather than have these bigoted white-entrenched barely populated rural areas keep stalling the rest of us with their "state's rights" and constant bigotry against whites, women, gays, minorities, etc.
sue latham November 16, 2012 at 09:09 PM
i mean "bigotry against blacks,......"
hank Smith November 18, 2012 at 06:18 AM
You, and a few of your crew here are idiots! We are suppose to be a government that is dictated by the people; it is very clear that our officials don't see that, and for a long time have taken the rights, and wants of the people out of the plan. This has been going on in a criminal fassion for over a 150 yrs,, and just gets worse ! You don't have a clue how this government is suppose to work, and I know you don't see how it's being run!!! In a few years with this mess you won't have a pot to piss in, unless you are one of the elites close family members. We won't come back from this if we progress with this downslide; and the ones that don't see it are morons! Anyone who doesn't want change is a blind idiot! The people of this country want change so bad millions were willing to vote for a moron like Romney just to get this money spending tyrant out of office; and if there was fairness it would have happened. The Elite wanted Obama back in there, and so it happened! If it came to a real, and honest vote 80 percent wouldn't vote for Obama, or Romney; and only a small percent would show their willingness to let this country die!! My father predicted this mess back 40 yrs. ago to the letter, and now here we are! If we let nuts like some on this forum have their way 85+ will be well above poverty level in a few years, and there children will be either hungry or starving!
Bruce Rockwell November 18, 2012 at 03:51 PM
Hank I think they have medication for that these days. It's worth checking into.
Robert Livesay November 18, 2012 at 04:19 PM
Bruce the Federal Government as most know it is not half the size it was during the Johnson term. It is 21% less because of a 44% decline in the military. Ex branch up over 10% Legislature and judical up 113%. Excluding the military which most folks do not consider as the Federal Government it is up over 10%.
Bruce Rockwell November 18, 2012 at 07:46 PM
If you want to consider just the civilian workforce, according to the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, the executive branch civilian workforce has shrunk by almost 300,000 since 1968, (while the population itself has grown by over 50%). The legislative and judicial workforce, which is more directly tied to population growth, has nonetheless grown less than 30,000 in that same time period. If the federal civilian workforce had merely kept up with population growth, so that the relative size of the federal government remained constant, we would have almost 5,000,000 civilians working for the federal government today. There is currently less than 3,000,000. It is true that under Obama, the federal civilian workforce has bumped up slightly, but just barely enough to keep up with population growth - still well below what it was a generation ago. And if you've been paying attention to the unemployment situation, you would know that the aggressive contraction in the size of state and local governments is what has kept the unemployment figures from coming down faster. At some point, one has to wonder, just how fast does the government have to keep shrinking in order for our most ignorant and credulous citizens to start questioning the rhetoric about the government "growing wildly out of control?" docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58561
Robert Livesay November 18, 2012 at 08:13 PM
Remember it had to go up before it came down. It was at 3.1 in 67/68 and 2.5 in 61/62. So we are about the same in actual numbers as in 67/68. It is growing dollars and that may be what the talk is all about. It takes less folks to do the same job today as in the 60's. But not at the same cost.
Bruce Rockwell November 19, 2012 at 01:12 AM
OK, I see you keep moving the goalposts. Forced to recognize that the federal government is not in fact growing out of control, but in fact keeps shrinking, you now want to say that it's the spending that is growing wildly out of control? Is that what you are suggesting? Would you believe that, according to the Heritage Foundation, discretionary spending under Obama has actually gone down? For the first time in a very, very long time, this president is spending less than his predecessor! So I really think you need to examine "what the talk is all about." The talk you're hearing doesn't seem to be about the facts. So let's recap: government is shrinking, both in real terms, and even more dramatically adjusted per capita. And federal spending growth (both discretionary and entitlements) has been stopped in its tracks, for the first time in our lifetimes. I'm guessing that you don't see that reported on in your usual conservative media sources. http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/10/federal-spending-by-the-numbers-2012
Robert Livesay November 19, 2012 at 03:28 PM
Bruce explain to me why for four straight years we had over one tril debt each year. Spending is not decreasing it is increasing and you know it. Not changing the goal posts. Just giving more info. Please explain fed spending stopped in its tracks. I do not know where you get your info but it sure is funny. Bruce entitlement spending goes on and also increases every year. Your so called discretionary spending is budgeted at 8% and if it is budgeted at below 8% the Liberals call it a decrease. Very strange Liberal math. Bruce it is clear that fed spending is not stopped in its tracks.
Bruce Rockwell November 19, 2012 at 03:54 PM
Right wingers seem to think that spending is the only thing that causes deficits. That's ignorant in the extreme. We've had trillion+ deficits for four years primarily because of revenues that have absolutely tanked in the wake of the Bush tax cuts, 9 million jobs lost, and over 3 million personal bankruptcies filed. This is the condition that Obama inherited. The FY 2008 budget was already $500 billion in the red, and then we lost $600 billion in revenues the next year. There's no math anywhere that can blame these deficit levels on Obama, when they were already that high before he was even elected! The only intelligent analysis we can make is to look at what he's done with the hand that he was dealt. According to the Heritage Foundation (no liberally biased source there), Obama has brought the annual deficit down to $1 trillion from $1.4 trillion, or about one third, in four years. You could argue that it is still way too high, but you can't argue credibly that he's not making real progress, or that these high deficit levels were his doing. According to the Heritage Foundation, both discretionary spending (the only part of the budget the president or congress can do much about) and entitlement spending have gone down under Obama when you account for inflation.
Robert Livesay November 19, 2012 at 04:40 PM
Very fuzzy math.
Robert Livesay November 19, 2012 at 11:36 PM
JB what happened to Dan trimble comments. Did you remove them?
JB Davis (Editor) November 20, 2012 at 01:31 PM
You are looking in the wrong article. You'll find them here: http://patch.com/A-z8xP
Robert Livesay November 20, 2012 at 02:57 PM
Thanks JB.
Sky Alexander Madrid November 23, 2012 at 08:48 AM
The second those states secede, they are going to fall. Im sorry but we are a a people who depend on each other for support, so those states without the means to provide for themselves will crumble and die out. You people signing those petitions, look at your kids. Can you honestly look them in the eye when they are begging for an answer to why everything has gone to shit, and tell them that YOU helped caused this? Think about it...

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