Civil Disobedience in Solano County

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On Wednesday night, Jan 25, 2012, I attended a Solano County Workshop along with about 100 other participants. This was the last of 9 workshops held in the Bay Area, entitled “Plan Bay Area”. This Workshop was a joint effort led by the Association of Bay Area Governments (ABAG) and the Metropolitan Transportation Commission (MTC) in cooperation with the Solano County Board of Supervisors. The Workshop Leader’s goal was to garner feedback and support from Solano County Residents on a strategy on how the Bay Area will be able to accommodate a growth of 2,000,000 more Bay Area residents in its 9 contiguous counties over the next 25 years. The primary driver of this effort revolved around two State Laws AB32 and SB375 that provided design guidelines for much of the planning effort.

What the Workshop Leaders got was a room full of very outspoken, sometimes passionate and sometimes angry residents who did not support what was being presented and resented the format that appeared to be superficial. The residents immediately set the tone of the meeting and it was clear they did not like the process whereby they were to be divided into 3rds and asked to rotate to 3 stations; one every 30 minutes. Most participants refused to leave the auditorium that held everyone and clearly wanted to be heard. They wanted answers to their questions about sovereignty, property rights, freedom and self-determination rights. In one sense, it was civil disobedience at its best but in another sense I am unsure if many of the participant’s points were really heard.

The highlight of the evening, to his credit, was when Jim Spering, Vice Chair, Solano County Board of Supervisors, closed the meeting by reading his notes listing a number of questions he heard during the workshop and he made a commitment to seek answers to each question. He also acknowledged that several of the participants had spoken passionately about United Nations Agenda 21 and admitted that he had never personally heard of that topic. He committed to learn more and during this period he accepted a book from a participant entitled “Behind the Green Mask: U.N. Agenda 21” by Rosa Koire to which he committed to begin reading.

The overall observation I made was the dedication, the passion and the commitment of each participant to be more vigilant, to be more involved in every aspect of our local government’s activity and to hold those we elect accountable for their decisions. The missing element was a respectful exchange of ideas and information. I think if all of us resolve to get more involved in our local government’s activities, we may just be able to make a difference in our own communities; what do you think?

Dennis Lowry

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Robert Livesay February 15, 2012 at 05:38 PM
The big issue here may not be Agenda 21. It is the Benicia Climate Action Plan. The plan follows the ICLIE five step process to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2020. The city joined ICLIE in 2007 and pays dues. With all of this comes grants with strings attached. You could also see zoning changes to meet these steps. Also this could be a big issue. I suggest all of you review ICLIE and the Benicia Climate Action Plan. You then can decide for yourself. You will get a big jolt of government and outside interference backed buy the local CSC. You decide.
Robert Livesay February 15, 2012 at 06:50 PM
Go get em Karl. very good.
Dennis Lowry February 15, 2012 at 11:24 PM
Robert, Just to make sure we are all on the same page ICLEI (INTERNATIONAL COUNCIL FOR LOCAL ENVIRONMENTAL INITIATIVES) is a NGO (Non Government Organization) that is the implementation arm of United Nations to implement Agenda 21. ICLEI a.k.a. Local Government for Sustainability (they change their name as people find out who they are) provides cookie-cutter programs like a Climate Action Plan to "guide" cities to adopt policies that are in fact implementing Agenda 21 policies. Often times committee members for local ICLEI are either active or past mayors, supervisors or council members fully attuned to how local government works. Add to the Climate Action Template the fact that most if not all planning department documents were prepared by ICLEI in addition to the creation of models for Sustainability Commissions, Historical Preservation Review Commissions and other such commissions. A key question to ask when looking at any and all proposals by Government is to ask whether the terms and conditions of the proposal denies the City it's sovereignty, or denies private property ownership rights or denies our right of self determination. Any answer other than NO suggest we should totally avoid the proposal. If the proposing party is unsure, the correct response it to totally avoid the proposal.
Old Dog February 15, 2012 at 11:57 PM
Hey Sport Fans - If you are really looking for a conspiracy to take away your rights - look at ALEC
Dennis Lowry February 16, 2012 at 07:22 AM
I did! I would have the same standard for ALEC as I do for ICLEI. I would reject any and all proposals that would compromise a City's sovereignty, or denies private property ownership rights or denies our right of self determination. The real question is would most readers stand with me against any organization, political leaning, or any other effort to rob us or our rights?????????
Robert Livesay February 16, 2012 at 04:51 PM
Dennis I am on the right page. At the local level we may have to back out of it The Benicia Climate Action Plan is as good as the CSC mayor/council want to make it. It is non-binding and is looked at as a priority, goal plan that may never reach its goal. Your right about Agenda 21, ICLIE and the folks in the city. If you stop it at the city level over and out. Agenda 21 and ICLIE are not going away we must control our own situation. I will stand with you on any effort to rob us of our rights. I am a firm believer that is must be stopped at the local level.
Karl Voigt February 16, 2012 at 06:00 PM
Dog, Are you trying to tell us you piddled on the rug again?
Robert Livesay February 16, 2012 at 06:10 PM
I do believe if you want to take sides you might be ok with ALEC over the Agenda 21, ICLEI, SB, AB and the local Enviro Greenies. I will take my chance with the Koch's.
Karl Voigt February 16, 2012 at 06:19 PM
I think some of the most horrific stuff in UN 21 are proposals regarding women's reproductive rights e.g. men have rights equal to women in deciding whether to breed or not AND even when to breed. So you and your mate disagree. Since your rights are equal you'd probably have to go to a judge. How many female vs. male judges are there world wide ? Unless you live in Iceland or Sweden the woman is going to lose a majority of the time. After the judge rules in the male's favor does that lead to your mate having the right to rape you if he desires a child and you don't ? Every citizen should read this document. This is only one small example of the total horror story. The whole story is much much bigger than some wing nuts trying to sell a book.
Karl Voigt February 16, 2012 at 06:38 PM
Dennis, Thank you so much for your articles and comments. They are well written and logical. They provide a great deal of illuminating information.
Karl Voigt February 16, 2012 at 06:55 PM
I completely agree with Dennis. Old Dog has just pointed out a mirror image of ICLEI. A clear effort to distract with a bright shiny object. Both should be firmly resisted and rejected. Robert, I would never be forced into a choice between the two. Both are evil and wrong. I fear you've just fallen head first into Dog's booby trap. I would never ever trust the Koch's.
Robert Livesay February 16, 2012 at 09:58 PM
Remember what I said. If you want to take sides. If that were the case I would take my chance with the Koch's/.
Old Dog February 17, 2012 at 01:34 AM
And Mussolini was a swell fella, who made the trains run on time - Fascists are fascists
JB Davis (Editor) February 17, 2012 at 01:42 AM
I've been watching this debate for some time now and I still don't know what rights we are supposed to be giving away. So far, no one, and that includes all the people who were at the meeting in Fairfield really articulated what is being lost.
Robert Livesay February 17, 2012 at 04:49 AM
JB it is the intent. If you do not understand that then I do believe no one will be able to help you.
Robert Livesay February 17, 2012 at 05:00 AM
JB read the posts. You have some very intellegent folks making comments. Not everyone will agree. But these folks did put some thought into their comments. You or anyone else does not have to agree on any of them. But remember that is what this is all about. Folks expressing their comments. We all need to respect that. I do not want anyone telling me what or how to think. We all can do it for our selves. Agree or disagree, so what. JB review the comments. I do believe everyone has been very clear.
Dennis Lowry February 17, 2012 at 07:22 AM
I think there are two aspects on this issue. First, rights are slowly and carefully taken; for example, it would be an interesting exercise to create a list of actions or things that a person can do on their own property WITHOUT involving some branch of a government agency. Not too long ago, the list would be very long; today, I think the list is very very short. Why is that? Well, ordinances have been written, rules have been made. For example, try to cut down a tree in your back yard that is a real problem. Good luck, it will require approval by the city, payment of a fee to replant a tree. Try to replace a water heater without a permit, no way, yet a simpleton can install a water heater and meet all of the safety codes. Now we turn to bigger issues; I agree the rights have not been taken YET and with vigilance and perseverance they will not be taken. It is near impossible to regain rights and freedoms once taken so the key is to prevent it happening. That is the challenge and the objective of those of us dedicated to individual liberty and freedom.
Robert Livesay February 17, 2012 at 04:33 PM
Very well said Dennis. That should clear up any confusion.
Karl Voigt February 17, 2012 at 05:38 PM
Dennis, Again excellent comments. JB...I agree with Robert, It's in the Intent, I think that thesis is clearly enunciated by several folks above. To not at least see the argument is to be deliberately obtuse, in my opinion.
JB Davis (Editor) February 17, 2012 at 08:10 PM
Hmmmm, I don't think I'm trying to be obtuse. Let's take Dennis' water heater example. I agree that anybody should be able to correctly install a water heater. But what happens if a water heater is not installed correctly-if it isn't strapped down and falls over as a result of a small earthquake. Perhaps a gas leak and an explosion and some houses destroyed or badly damaged. Is that better than paying a fee to have the city inspect the installation? I'm not an actuary, so I can't give you a hard cash answer, but as a citizen I'd rather be certain an idiot didn't install the water heater. As for the tree ordinance....... All can say is 50%+1. If you don't like the laws get more of your like minded friends to the voting booth.
Robert Livesay February 17, 2012 at 10:02 PM
JB I am not sure which side you are on. It appears you have a very Progressive take on this. I do believe what Dennis was doing was just giving an example. Myself I buy the water heater and have a master plumber put it in. Sometimes that goes with the purchase, buy and install.. What I do not want is regulations on things like I can not wash my car on the street in front of my house. The burning of fireplaces is another example. Some fire log manufactures meet all the regulations. Guess what still could not burn and use those logs on certain days. I understand that is hard one to inforce. Your very best friend neighbor has to turn you in. I do obey that regulation. But the goal could be met and you could still burn logs. There are things such as self regulation and industry regulations that do work. I think you will find that most folks do want to do what is good for everyone concerned. But there are many regulations that are agenda driven. I do believe that this is what this is all about. As I said before "the intent". You have some group or persons that want 28' windmill on roof tops. Talk about dark ages. I follow these very strange ideas and wonder what their real agenda is. Very simple to controll your life style to meet their agenda. I do not think so.
Karl Voigt February 17, 2012 at 10:13 PM
JB, With all due respect, I don't think you addressed the issue of "intent" at all. To me it's kind of like reading "Mein Kampf" in 1932 and saying, "Oh, no one will ever permit him to do Those kinds of things, and look here the NATZI party has all of these wonderful proposals in their platform for nutrition, health and forest conservation etc." (The party DID have ,and did pass many laws like those cited). I'm not sure your spin on water heaters is a good example at all. I doubt that it's a simple matter of paying an inspection fee, although I may be wrong. I know that in Marin Co. when I replaced a water heater recently in my rental home, I had to use a licensed plumber BEFORE i could get an inspection. Maybe Benicia just hasn't caught up with Marin yet. RE: your 50+1 comment. it should be clear that is exactly what many of the comments above aim toward....illumination leads to more intelligent voting. Enough with the lack of information and last minute City Council votes.
Mike February 17, 2012 at 11:48 PM
Jon Carroll's column in this mornings SF Chronicle: "Inside the nefarious Agenda 21" http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/carroll/
Robert Livesay February 18, 2012 at 12:13 AM
A Progessive/Liberal from San francisco trying to make fun of our freedoms. Yes I do believe a Progessive/Liberal from San Franciso has no clue. His support and trying to be funny are part of this Agenda driven group. They will be curtailed if not stopped completely. We all know what the INTENT is. Now in Benicia it is starting to turn in favor of the folks against AGENDA 21/ICLIE, AB and SB bills. The agenda driven CSC and their Climate Action Plan is taken directly from the steps of the ICLIE. Yes we are starting to get it. Remeber what I have said. Very simple: INTENT. Sign on folks, Dennis has done a good job of bringing this to your attention.
T. Gunter February 18, 2012 at 12:45 AM
Thanks for the link Mike. Great article! My favorite line: "We have met the enemy, and he is riding a bicycle."
Robert Livesay February 18, 2012 at 05:15 AM
It has been confirmed. The big divide here is between the Democrat/Progessive/Liberals and the Republican/Conservative and maybe even the Ron Paul folks. . That is all it is. One side is for thing and the other iis for something else. This very left leaning group in Benicia is not happy that they are being confronted. It also appears that the editor is on the left leaning side. Guess what it is not working. Now all everyone has to do is decide which side there on. It should be very easy. Stop deciding how I will live. The folks for freedom we decide this issue. It will not be in favor of the Agenda 21/ICLIE etc crowd. Now lets move on. It has been decided. Do you need to look any further than what just happened to Pat Buchanan. Now try Media Matters. They are trying to stack the deck against freedom loving Americans and it is not working. Stand up for America folks.
Karl Voigt February 18, 2012 at 02:31 PM
Please note that Jon makes no claim to have ever read anything directly from Agenda 21. He makes clear that his comments mostly derive from another article. Pretty superficial "snarky" stuff.
T. Gunter February 18, 2012 at 06:43 PM
Bottom line: Paranoia is running rampant and it is fully worthy of ridicule.
Robert Livesay February 18, 2012 at 09:19 PM
T it looks like you are on the wrong side again.
Dan Campbell May 01, 2013 at 06:21 AM
You are not just an old dog ,you are an old fool as well.


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